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chris21 18 ( +1 | -1 )
The BEST chess player of all time? Who is widely regarded as being the best chess player of all time? I don't mean your personal favourites as there is already a thread on this. I mean who is supposed to be the best?
triangulator 13 ( +1 | -1 )
this thread has been posted so many times- or varr. of it. but it would have to be hands down- you geussed it- Robert James Fischer!
rebras 1 ( +1 | -1 )
Agreed doubt.
edmaster 5 ( +1 | -1 )
tulkos 9 ( +1 | -1 )
rebras 6 ( +1 | -1 )
But... When Bobby was at the top of his game...Tal, as great as he was, couldn't touch him.
tulkos 11 ( +1 | -1 )
? where's the proof? Probably tal wasn't at the top of his game at the time--- IF such a thing ever took place. ;-)
rebras 24 ( +1 | -1 )
Research, my young man. Check out Bobby's game history or Tal's and see for are defending your favorite player...and that is admirable, I would not want to discourage you BUT, please check out the histories of these two greats and see for yourself. Therein lies the PROOF you seek! ;-)
rebras 85 ( +1 | -1 ) Bobby played 11 rated games against Tal that we have record of. Tal won the first 4 (Not 5 in a row) which included draws (a total of 5) then won the final 2 against the time Tal was strong and Bobby was coming into his own. So, the career record of Tal against Bobby was +4 -2 =5 which was only equaled by one other player against Bobby...that was Geller at +5 -3 =2. The biggest problem Tal had was Tal...meaning he drank too much and didn't take care of himself. He and Bobby were good friends and Bobby admired Tal a great deal. Once, when Tal was in the hospital, Bobby was the only player to visit him!

So, was Tal able to hold his own when Bobby was at his best? Who knows...Tal ruined that opportunity by his lifestyle...a tragedy for him, Bobby and all of chess. There was no greater tactical player than Mikhail Tal! My info comes from the book "Russians versus Fischer" page # 393.
t0ned0g 9 ( +1 | -1 )
hmmmm... Shirov comes close to Tal in playing style and strength.....must be a latvian thing!
rebras 10 ( +1 | -1 )
yes, but... Shirov lacks that EVIL GLARE! We don't see Shirov's opponents wearing sunglasses to avoid lol ;-)
triangulator 1 ( +1 | -1 )
fischer rules!! end of story!
rebras 12 ( +1 | -1 )
Ok, I see now You two guys, on the same team, need to settle this and leave all of the rest of us out. TAl v. Fischer or should I say tulkos v. triangulator!
triangulator 3 ( +1 | -1 )
7-2 my favor and I was black most the time
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Homeschooling A non-related issue but I am glad to see homeschoolers involved in chess. I am very pro-homeschooling. My kids were and turned out great, well eductaed and able to deal with society in a super way. keep going guys! ;-)
triangulator 22 ( +1 | -1 )
there is another team on GK but they aren't as good as us. tulkos beat the crap out of me in the first 2 games, then I got the hang of playing correspondance chess, oh acually it is 8-4 my favor- I won 7 here and 1 on another site, he won 2 here and 2 on the other site
mlazar 5 ( +1 | -1 )
I just hope homeschoolers get out of the home once in awhile and don't become Fischerlike....
chris21 4 ( +1 | -1 )
Fischer better than Capablanca?
peppe_l 49 ( +1 | -1 )
Two ways to choose The best player:

1) Playing strength

Then my choice is Kasparov. Chess players get better year after year - more knowledge, more training etc. The level of Karpov-Kasparov games in 80s was far beyond even Spassky-Fischer games in Reykjavik.

2) Best of his time

Then my choice is Philidor. At his time he beat everyone even after giving odds. Of course, nowadays its impossible to prove such superiority, so Capablanca might be a choice as well.
peppe_l 19 ( +1 | -1 )
BTW "Who is _widely regarded_ as being the best chess player of all time? I _don't mean your personal favourites_ as there is already a thread on this. I mean who is supposed to be the best?"


mormel12 10 ( +1 | -1 )
well hard to tell, since most of them won't be able to play the match to proove it:)
mettlesome 67 ( +1 | -1 )
It seems.... It seems that a lot of modern players think that Kasparov is the strongest ever....;and let's face for many years he has completely dominated the world......much longer than Fischer did (I think that Tal suffered from two things....a great desire to life to the full (and so he didn't really look after himself)...and GREAT courage which stops most players doing the types of things he did EVEN if they do see them....

Anyway who cares about being the strongest player....for me it's more inportant to find players that you can identify with. I find both Tal and Korchnoi to play the kind of chess that I appreciate...

rebras 14 ( +1 | -1 )
And... Those we consider great build on what the players before them pioneered. We owe a lot to Fischer, Tal, Korchnoi and many, many others.
lespaul 18 ( +1 | -1 )
It maybe doesnt prove anything, but... Isn't Fischer the most famous of all time?
Not that that makes any difference.

I think Fischer is REGARDED as the greatest, isn't he? I would certainly say he was.
And I suppose number two would be Kasparov.
atrifix 53 ( +1 | -1 )
Of course, Fischer was never beaten in a match (unless you count his forfeit to Reshevsky). Kasparov was totally crushed by Kramnik.

Tal, in addition to not taking care of himself, was also plagued by bad health from a very young age that probably prevented him from realizing his true potential.

Still, Philidor was probably the most dominant of his time, although very few people consider him the best because he's just not modern enough. Fischer claimed that Morphy was the best (next to himself, of course).
rafaelluiz 5 ( +1 | -1 )
Would... it be because they were from USA?

peppe_l 4 ( +1 | -1 )
... "I think Fischer is REGARDED as the greatest..."

...In USA? :-)
edmaster 1 ( +1 | -1 )
lespaul 13 ( +1 | -1 )
Peppe_l ... That maybe the case, but I live in New Zealand!

I was just making a general statement... not that I'm any authority on the matter though.
rocky 33 ( +1 | -1 )
best player ever. the best player ever is after the rating sistem. lasker . hi was the first player that startet to demand a good pay ,for playing games. so that a chess player cold live from his chess . laskers beiografi, is wery interesting stof. bey a book abaut him its good rieding for lonly auers.
killmaster 23 ( +1 | -1 )
The best of all time... is GM Gary Kasparov and I guess almost everyone (maybe excluding some like ED..) would agree with me if he hadn't lost the match against his fellow Russian Vladmir Kramnik.Anyone demand for reasons?
triangulator 8 ( +1 | -1 )
fischer! not kasparov, fischer could come back right now and destroy kasparov!
rafaelluiz 10 ( +1 | -1 )
Only If... God wants that fischer will gain to kasparov now

Sorry, but the truth is the truth.

triangulator 3 ( +1 | -1 )
you can't prove that kasparov is better
rafaelluiz 13 ( +1 | -1 )
It would... be proved in a match fischer vs kasparov.
But with the state of fischer mind now, it would not be difficult kasparov beat him.

triangulator 0 ( +1 | -1 )
what state of mind?????? ???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
rafaelluiz 21 ( +1 | -1 )
??????????????????????????? First, I wanna say that I am not interested in discussions.
All people that like chess know that the sayings of fischer about jews, nazism and usa are very crazy.

Crazyness is the answer.

yanez 3 ( +1 | -1 )
Best player Morphy-Alekhine-Fischer .

triangulator 1 ( +1 | -1 )
he was not crazy nor is he crazy now
lhunter 16 ( +1 | -1 )
IMHO When they were at the TOP of their game...

1. Alekhine, 2. Fischer, 3. Kasparov

It's surprising (to me) that Alekhine is mentioned only twice in this thread.
kamikazelb 41 ( +1 | -1 )
i think Kasparov is a very strong player, by seeing how many yrs he topped the scene is enough. Fischer came and went very quickly.
besides what about Alekhine , he invented a lot of the principles modern chess players use. even kasparov must have learned something from Alekhine.
i think Alekhine is the greatest, then kasparov.
btw i hate alekhines opening, but neverthenless.
killmaster 61 ( +1 | -1 )
the best of all time... still remains kaspy, In a book I read years back "100 chess sacrifices of Kasparov", he was likened to a bad football fan always going for the winning team;combining the psychological stability of Karpov with the ability to take risk from Tal, the fine attacking prowess of Alekhine, the 'something' intuition of Fischer, the scientific approach of Botvinnik......I can't remember him mentioning anything about Capablanca, I guess you cannot emulate raw talent. Kasparov is also talented player no doubt about that and his ability to combine the peculiar features of the past great masters has earned him the best so far......Am coming up!
zdrak 26 ( +1 | -1 )
I would also like to mention Alekhine as the best player of all times. At the late 20's and early 30's his domination of the chess world was uncontested.

"A few years ago we were practically equal, now he beats us all like patzers"
- Nimzovich, about Alekhine, circa 1931

comcicomca 3 ( +1 | -1 )
The Best Kramnik. Kasparov. Karpov.
legalos 6 ( +1 | -1 )
BOBBY FICSHER he could beat anyone when he was 7 !!!!!!!!!!
tonlesu 12 ( +1 | -1 )
zdrak One could say the same thing about Fischer in the late 60's early 70's. He not only beat his opponents, he crushed his opponents.

triangulator 15 ( +1 | -1 )
tonlesu you are right he did crush his opps and heIS the best ever- he will come back soon and show the world how to play real chess
comcicomca 9 ( +1 | -1 )
Alekhin Fischer, Capablanca round out the top 5. Alekhin didn't make it. That's not an exact
quote by the way.