41 ( +1 | -1 ) Kramnik to winPut your shirt on Kramnik !! The stipulated conditions for the match heavily favour Kramnik and the program itself seems to contain one or two flaws which Kramnik is certain to exploit. I have watched Deep Fritz playing blitz chess and I have seen it come unstuck against supposedly inferior chess computer programs.
22 ( +1 | -1 ) let's hope!Let's hope this is so! That the human wins! Unfortunately, machines have done tremendous progress in the last years. My personal forecast is that the machine will win, but of course my support is for the human race! :-)
36 ( +1 | -1 ) IfComputers are programmed by man, then the computer would be equal to the man who programmed it. The best result either the man or the computer could get is a draw - or does the speed of thinking come into this? A computer can do millions of calculations per second (and look at databases of top players games), man is at a disadvantage in this respect.
I would still go with man. Man can do the unpredictable, a computer will not.
27 ( +1 | -1 ) Machine will winIf not now, soon: They can analyse millions of positions per second, they have access to vast opening libraries, they have good endgame libraries, and the most recent software includes strategical thinking as well as tactics.
4 ( +1 | -1 ) Interesting predictionsDeath-by-pawns is going to preserve his arm.
9 ( +1 | -1 ) lets hope thats a chickputting her shirt on krammnik because i think the proggram will win
P.S. just joking
11 ( +1 | -1 ) Halfways ..the intermediatescore is 3-1 for mr Vladimir. He is playing very good and it seems that he is gonna win the match. But you 'll never know!!
38 ( +1 | -1 ) 3-2 for Kramnik now. He made a very bad mistake in game 5 (which would give away a whole piece), but Fritz had him in an uncomfortable position before his blunder, anyway.
There are good annotations of the games at www.chessbase.com (chessbase publishes Fritz, but they're pretty neutral in their coverage) -- scroll down to "An expert view of the match"
3 more games...
10 ( +1 | -1 ) Fritz is level!3-3 with two games to play! Kramnik seems to be crumbling, if his beginner's error in game 5 is anything to go on!
4 ( +1 | -1 ) ..somebody.....is going to lose their left arm!
3 ( +1 | -1 ) Still levelafter a draw in game 7. One to go!
20 ( +1 | -1 ) Kramnik is a quitterHe resigned a drawn position in game 6. This is the current opinion circulating, and in fact, I played his side of the position against cm5500 and got a draw (after a few takebacks-- because I really suck).
204 ( +1 | -1 ) ratinfsprograms normally can attain a performance rating higher than their overall chess ability would seem to allow.
Kramnik clearly has a better understanding of chess than Fritz, and Kramnik's best game is clearly better than Fritz'. The reason a program can win such a match is because the human can tire, blunder, and make psychological mistakes. So far, Kramnik has blundered a piece in game 5, resigned a probably drawn position in game 6, and attempted a spectacular sacrificial attack on Fritz' king earlier in that game without clearly seeing the end of the attack (clearly the wrong way to play a computer--I wonder if it would have worked on another top GM). Plus Kramnik is struggling with the issue of playing in an anti-computer style. E.g., in an earlier game, Kramnik played Kf1 just to get Fritz out of its opening book preparation (it was not the best move). He's also locking up pawn chains and trading queens early (though he tends to do this against Kasparov too). Meanwhile, Fritz is just chugging along, not even alive much less tired and distracted. Sometimes it will make big positional errors and sometimes even tactical errors if they are very long range, but as soon as the human makes a mistake it is ready to take advantage. This is how it gets a higher rating than it deserves.
I'd bet on Kramnik's best game against a program any day.
At home, I play against my CM5500 on the Light setting (the manual says that Light's rating is 2100, but I doubt this is accurate). If I play casual games with 30 minutes on each side of the clock, I'm lucky to score more than 2.0/10.0, and every one of my losses is due to some sort of blunder. But if I give Light 30 minutes and myself unlimited time, then I can almost always beat it within 3 or 4 hours.
I think Kramnik should play a correspondence match against Fritz. Even if they left fritz running 24-7, I'm sure it would lose.
6 ( +1 | -1 ) Ok, let's play on game 6I'll take Black :) Last move 34...axb6.
82 ( +1 | -1 ) Your a bad manbrunetti. certainratio the position was winning for black with correct play. However, to win requires very long term planning. Computers cant make long term strategies, so Deep Fritz probably wouldn't have found the win. Therefore, a strong human, like brunetti, will win and Deep Fritz will only draw. The debate is why Kramnik didn't consider that Deep Fritz wouldn't be able to find the win. Maybe Kramnik thought that eventually Deep Fritz would find a way to win and he wanted to save himself for the remaining matches.
24 ( +1 | -1 ) Is the position drawn?I've heard conflicting analysis--most claim that after Rxa6 (with the idea of Ra7-d7-d6+!) the position is technically drawn, although most say 'black retains winning chances'. What's the latest analysis on the final position?
16 ( +1 | -1 ) The match is drawn 4-4 -- a serious let down for the favorite, Kramnik.
The computers move closer to total domination. I'm switching to scrabble and monopoly.
62 ( +1 | -1 ) lolLet's hope we all don't have to do that, Ms. Tran :P
I haven't seen it mentioned in this forum yet, wasn't there some talk that the computer team set up speakers around kramnik so that the computer's chatter option could be heard by him? It heckled him with lines from Shakespeare, even replaced character names with his own at points. This supposedly infuriated him in game 6. At one point he asked them to turn it off, but they didn't, evidentally.
www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=556 is where I got this information
32 ( +1 | -1 ) hehe... I think that article was meant to be in fun. I also read that at chessbase.
I think it would have been more effective in upsetting Kramnik if they played recordings of Kasparov whining for several hours. Or perhaps "She Blinded Me With Science" by Thomas Dolby.
27 ( +1 | -1 ) If it were me...If it were me I'd take the Blinded me with Science over Shakespeare. That's probably dangerous to say to a literature buff :P
For maximum irritation I'd recommend... hmm, maybe Mambo #5? Maybe the worst Yoko Ono song I can find, one even she hates. Or an AOL commercial jingle, looped.
58 ( +1 | -1 ) game 6Read Mig's analysis at chessbase.com. He and other's seem to think it is a draw. They clearly proved that if there is a win, then it is very deep (and the computer would most likely not find it). So far, no one seems to have demonstrated a win for black.
Brunetti, if you can refute Mig's analysis that shows the game is drawn he would be quite happy to get an email from you. Also, I don't plan to play the position against you. My level of play is too low for it to mean anything if you win.
In any case, let's wait for Kramnik's opinion on the game. I'm sure he will let us know whether he believes the position is drawn or not.