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| Posted by sodiumattack nikto.net 8/22/2003 08:31:39 Play online chess |  Subject: Earliest stalemateMessage: I do not know if it is known... but, what is the min number of moves to have a stalemate, with the collaboration of the two sides? I mean, the min number of moves to have a mate is 2: 1. f3 e5 2. g4 Qh4#. Is there a method to know the min number of moves to achieve a position of stalemate? If anyone want, we can try it empirically. Just challange me for an unrated game! | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Posted by pebbles nikto.net 8/22/2003 10:01:01 Play online chess | Ten moves Message: 1.e3 a5 2.Qh5 Ra6 3.Qxa5 h5 4.Qxc7 Rah6 5.h4 f6 6.Qxd7+ Kf7 7.Qxb7 Qd3 8.Qxb8 Qh7 9.Qxc8 Kg6 10.Qe6 stalemate. Solution by Sam Lloyd. | ||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
| Posted by sodiumattack nikto.net 8/22/2003 10:48:23 Play online chess | Message: Thank you very much pebbles! ——— Rule change raises hopes of Vishy Anand meeting Magnus Carlsen — A change to the world chess championship candidates rules has raised hopes that India's Vishy Anand, the holder, will meet Norway's Magnus Carlsen, 20, who tops the chess rankings, in a 2012 or 2013 title match. The 2011 candidates in Kazan was settled by knock-out, where Russia's Alex Grischuk controversially made quick draws in the long classical games to reach the final via blitz tie-breaks. Subsequently, elite chess grandmasters voted for an all-play-all format. APAs were used from 1950 until 1962, when Bobby Fischer claimed that his Soviet rivals had arranged results to minimise the American's chances. The chess tournament was replaced by matches, in which Fischer famously destroyed ... Posted by kai_sim | nikto.net 8/23/2003 02:54:57 Play online chess sorry pebblesMessage: doesn't work, try again ——— Good at Chess? A Hedge Fund May Want to Hire You — Boaz Weinstein’s opening move on Wall Street came as a result of chess. Mr. Weinstein, now a star hedge fund manager, was trying to get a summer job at Goldman Sachs in 1991, when he was just 18. After being told there was nothing available, he stopped in a bathroom on the way out and ran into David F. Delucia, then the head of corporate bond trading. Mr. Delucia, who is ranked as an expert by the United States Chess Federation, had played Mr. Weinstein, ranked as a master by the chess federation, many times. He arranged for a series of interviews until Mr. Weinstein got an internship on a Goldman trading desk. Mr. Weinstein is not alone among Wall Streeters who have a chess ... Posted by pebbles | nikto.net 8/23/2003 04:02:04 Play online chess kai_simMessage: Why do you think it doesn't work? All moves are legal and the final position is stalemate. ——— Grand Slam Masters: Both Carlsen and Anand lose — After a sensational third round of the Grand Slam Masters chess tournament at Sao Paulo, World chess champion Viswanathan Anand and World No. 1 Magnus Carlsen of Norway languished at the bottom of the points table. Anand bowed to an in-form Vassily Ivanchuk of Ukraine while Carlsen called all the shots against bottom-ranked player Vallejo Pons of Spain before blundering a piece to leave the tournament in a state of shock before the first rest day. The football points system ensured that Ivanchuk, with seven points, had a good lead over the rest of the field. Levon Aronian of Armenia was in second position with five points, Hikaru Nakamura of US and Vallejo Pons were further down ... Posted by superblunder | nikto.net 8/23/2003 09:07:57 Play online chess ???Message: pebbles, ummm The black rooks and the black queen still have legal moves, so it isn't stalemate. ——— Who's the man? — When I was a much younger man, I saw a film titled "Who's the Man?" It was a light comedy, but throughout the movie, the two main characters would pronounce, "You the man!" to each other. In the chess world, this was never an issue. Well, not until recently. Since 1886, there was always an official World Chess Champion. The chess world always knew who "the man" was, until 1993 and the infamous Kasparov-Short match. Garry Kasparov, clearly the best chess player in the world and the World Chess Champion to boot, was to defend his title against the lesser-know British GM Nigel Short. Nigel was one of the top 10 chess players in the world, but nobody thought he could beat Kasparov. Kasparov and ... Posted by olympio | nikto.net 8/23/2003 10:26:43 Play online chess jfdsaMessage: kai_sim and superblunder i'm afraid you're both incorrect. the line given by pebbles is correct.. i checked it only a couple minutes after he posted it and it was a very elegant solution. the black queen and the black rooks are both trapped completely ——— On Chess: World-title foes differ on workouts — In an era of 14-year-old grandmasters and Internet-nurtured chess prodigies, 43-year-old Boris Gelfand of Israel is an anomaly. After 20 years of being near the top of the chess heap, he is playing a match — his first — for the world chess championship. It will take place against the current chess champion, 41-year-old Viswanathan Anand — also one of the older set — who has played several title matches. Anand insists that a rigorous conditioning regime — including trips to the gym — is a prerequisite for success at the top level. Gelfand has a more nonchalant point of view. “It strikes me,” he recently told journalist Yuri Vasiliev, “that the basis of success is a healthy way of life. You need to ... Posted by pebbles | nikto.net 8/23/2003 10:29:25 Play online chess ??? superblunderMessage: What legal moves do the Black Queen and Black Rooks have? The Black Q is on h7 (see moves 7 and 8); one Black R is on h8, while the other is on h6 (see moves 2 and 4). The Black Q has no moves since it is completely enclosed by Black pieces and the border of the chessboard: N on g8, R on h8, R on h6, P on g7, K on g6. The Rook on h8 has no move since g8 and h7 are occupied by a Knight and a Queen respectively, which both happen to be Black (so that they can't be captured by the Rook :)) ). The other Rook is on h6, where it is surrounded by a King, a Queen and a Pawn. So tell me, what legal moves can Black make?? Apart from the solution I gave, it is of course extremely easy to find another solution in 10 moves, or also a solution in 10 moves where it is White who is stalemated. Posted by superblunder | nikto.net 8/23/2003 10:41:21 Play online chess oops, sorry, pebblesMessage: I have an old chess board and the '2' looks like a '7', I had the black queen on h2 instead of h7, brilliant solution. Posted by kai_sim | nikto.net 8/23/2003 11:44:51 Play online chess pardon my ignoranceMessage: ... 6.Qxd7+ Kf7 for some reason i did: 6.Qxd8+ instead and then wasn't able to explain how to move 7.Qxb7... funny is that i tried 3 times in a row with 6.Qxd8 :(( nice research! Posted by brulla | nikto.net 8/26/2003 03:56:01 Play online chess Only...Message: nobody would play like that in a game. As sodiumattack wrote, "with the collaboration of the two sides". Does anyone know the earliest stalemate in a real game? Posted by sy_or_bust | nikto.net 8/26/2003 04:48:25 Play online chess Are you kidding?Message: You can't force an early stalemate, or almost any stalemate for that matter. Not with any techniques currently understood in chess. The answer would depend on your definition of "real game". Some games/openings have super-fast liquidation and head quickly into "proven-drawn" king and pawn endgames where, for example, you may have a king on a8 against a king and a-pawn, drawn by stalemate. Of course you cannot force such a position and hardly can argue that it's "best play" or a "real game". Are you looking for a historically "serious" chess match (i.e. grandmasters) playing to stalemate? Or something theoretical? You won't find the latter. Posted by sodiumattack | nikto.net 8/26/2003 05:27:27 Play online chess Earliest stalemate in a gameMessage: Sibilio - Mariotti, Ravenna 1982 1.e4 e6 2.Nf3 d5 3.e5 c5 4.b4 cxb4 5.d4 Nh6 6.a3 bxa3 7.c3 Nf5 8.Nxa3 Nc6 9.Nb5 a6 10.g4 Bd7 11.Bg5 Be7 12.gxf5 axb5 13.fxe6 fxe6 14.Rxa8 Qxa8 15.Rg1 Qa3 16.Bxb5 Bxg5 17.Rxg5 Qxc3+ 18.Kf1 O-O 19.Bxc6 Bxc6 20.Kg2 Ba4 21.Qe2 Bc2 22.Ne1 Be4+ 23.f3 Rxf3 24.Nxf3 Bxf3+ 25.Qxf3 Qd2+ 26.Kh3 Qxg5 27.Qf8+ Kxf8 - Here is it. Probably it is still this. (www.xs4all.nl/~timkr/records/records.htm) Posted by pebbles | nikto.net 8/28/2003 20:51:07 Play online chess Another solutionMessage: A different solution of the stalemate in 10 moves is as follows: 1.c3 d5 2.Qb3 h5 3.Qxb7 Bf5 4.Qxa7 Bh7 5.Qxb8 Ra6 6.Qxc7 Rah6 7.h4 f6 8.Qxd8+ Kf7 9.Qxd5+ Kg6 10.Qe6 stalemate. And here it is White who gets stalemated: 1.c4 e5 2.h4 d5 3.Qb3 dxc4 4.e4 cxb3 5.axb3 Qxh4 6.Ra4 Qxh1 7.g4 Bxg4 8.Nf3 Bxf3 9.Na3 Bxa3 10.Rb4 Bxb4 stalemate. Posted by brobishkin | nikto.net 8/28/2003 22:25:07 Play online chess Hmmm...Message: I can't help but wonder why this amazement with the quickest stalemate is getting so much attention... I have always taught that you should always play to win, even if all you need to win a tournament is a draw... You should never play for a draw... It's an interesting subject (stalemates), but it's like learning the quickest mate (you'll never see them in a tournament)... Once you learn it, then what?... I would have to agree with "sy or bust", you can't force a stalemate... All these stalemates discussed here are played with flaws... Bro... Posted by dozer | nikto.net 8/29/2003 00:19:20 Play online chess hmm...Message: These problems just force thinking differently, when trying to find solutions on chessboard. It's extremly hard to play moves that effectively hangs ones pieces, even if one knows that both sides collaborate. It's nice to see solutions like this from time to time, so ones mind doesn't stick too much to the rules of the "chessicly correct moves". At least it stimulates my creativity... Kind Regards, Dozer Posted by chessnovice | nikto.net 8/29/2003 13:00:50 Play online chess ...Message: You'd probably see these games more often if they abolished the draw offer. Posted by mladen | nikto.net 8/30/2003 13:28:21 Play online chess I know brobishkin is not impressed, but ...Message: How about the earliest stalemate with all the pieces still on the board? Posted by kapinov | nikto.net 8/30/2003 13:49:08 Play online chess or..Message: Earliest stalemate with 8 Queens on the board? :) Posted by pebbles | nikto.net 8/30/2003 15:37:49 Play online chess Stalemate without capturesMessage: This would probably take 12 moves, for example: 1.a4 e5 2.Ra3 d6 3.h3 Be6 4.d4 c5 5.Qd3 f5 6.Qg3 Be7 7.Qh2 e4 8.Rg3 Qa5+ 9.Nd2 Bb3 10.c4 Bh4 11.f3 e3 12.d5 f4 stalemate Posted by pebbles | nikto.net 8/30/2003 16:09:53 Play online chess 8 queens :))Message: With 8 queens the puzzle is not easy to solve, but it takes exactly 15 moves to obtain a position with 8 queens on the board (but no stalemate). |