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nfp40uk
♡ 29 ( +1 | -1 )
1a3...2h3 i played a game recently and my opponent played 1a3... and 2h3 which I thought was quite amateurish but they played quite a good game. They eventually lost however, has anyone seen this opening for white and if so what is the best defence for black except the obvious 1...e5 2...d5
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v_glorioso12
♡ 8 ( +1 | -1 )
probably a quiet system, like double fienchetto (dont know how to spell it)
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calmrolfe
♡ 91 ( +1 | -1 )
Anderssen's Opening This is a rarely seen opening, White voluntarily gives up the advantage of the first move and usually ends up playing the game as though he had the Black pieces !!
Having said that, the opening lurks amongst the dustiest pages of most Super GM's opening books. To be brought out, dusted down and used to devastating effect when circumstances dictate, such as the following game where Super GM Peter Svidler decides to take poor old Fritz right out of it's opening book.
White "Svidler, P"]
[Black "Fritz 6 "]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2713"]
[ECO "A00"]
[Round "12"]
1. a3 d5 2. e3 e5 3. d4 Nd7 4. Nf3 e4 5. Nfd2 Ngf6 6. c4 c6 7. Nc3 Be7 8. Qb3 Nb6 9. cxd5 cxd5 10. a4 Qd6 11. a5 Nbd7 12. Be2 Qe6 13. O-O O-O 14. f3 exf3 15. Nxf3 Nb8 16. Ng5 Qd7 17. Bf3 Na6 18. Nh3 Nc7 19. Nf4 Rd8 20. Rd1 g5 21. Nd3 Qf5 22. Be2 Bd6 23. Rf1 Qe6 24. Nf2 Rb8 25. Bd2 Qe7 26. e4 Ne6 27. e5 Nxd4 28. exd6 Qxe2 29. Nxe2 Nxb3 30. Bxg5 Re8 31. Bxf6 Rxe2 32. Rae1 Re6 33. Ng4 Rxe1 34. Nh6+ Kf8 35. Rxe1 Nc5 36. Re5 Ne4 37. Be7+ Ke8 38. Rxd5 b6 39. Rd4 f5 40. g4 Bb7 41. gxf5 Kd7 42. a6 Bc6 43. Kf1 Bb5+ 44. Kg2 Nc5 45. Ng4 Rg8 46. Kh3 Rxg4 47. Kxg4 Bxa6 48. Kf3 Nb3 49. Rf4 Bc4 50. Ke3 Bf7 51. Rg4 h6 52. Rg7 Ke8 53. d7+ Kxe7 54. Rxf7+ Kd8 55. f6 Nc5 56. Kf4 Nxd7 57. Ke4 1-0
Hope this helps,
Kind regards,
Cal
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philaretus
♡ 77 ( +1 | -1 )
A distinction There's nothing wrong with 1.a3. It's played in many variations of many openings, it doesn't weaken White's position, and even if it's completely useless, all this entails is that White is really playing as Black. A good strategy for Black is just to play 1...Nf6 (a move that he'll almost always want to play anyway before long) and wait to see what White does next.
In contrast, 1.h3 does weaken White's Kingside somewhat. However, Black may not be able to profit from this straightaway, and he should refrain from over-ambitious reactions that might enable White to justify his eccentric opening. So in this instance too I would play 1...Nf6, and wait to see what White does next.
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keiserpaul
♡ 70 ( +1 | -1 )
de Klerk Because it creates a weakness near the king, 1. .. h3 is less suitable to be a waiting move than 1. a3. But there are two other possibilities : the first is it can transpose into the Grob after 2. g4, and for that reason 1. .. Nf6 (creating a target for the g4 pawn) cannot be recommended. Secondly the move h3 is useful in Queen pawns opening with Bf4 since the bishop can drop back to h2.
About 1.a3 2.h3 this is the "Double de Klerk". Michael Basman has tried this several times (in 1990 the British Championship as well as in the Leicester Open at the same year), using the system with both colours. His third move mostly was 3.c4 ( or 3. .. c5 if playing with black). In nearly all games the opponent pushed his e- en d- pawns.
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philaretus
♡ 14 ( +1 | -1 )
keiserpaul I concur with your other comments, but 1.h3 Nf6 2.g4 is just daft. If White wants to wreck his Kingside just to move the knight on, let him!
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nightwalker
♡ 79 ( +1 | -1 )
1.a3!? or 1.h3!? I think that these moves have nothing wrong with them, they are subtle strategy moves, "Shadow Boxing" an unprepared opponent into showing thier hand too soon. Though I know little about the idead's behind them I have played against them once or twice and I try to create positions where the moves 1.a3!? or 1.h3!? are of lesser importance and may waste a tempo so I have an equal game or try to get a slight advantage.
It is hard for me to remember as it was so long ago but I think I tried to steer the game into a kind of Grunfeld position.
I agree with philaretus that 2.g4!? would make the game very interesting though I would not go as far as to say it was daft?
nightwalker.
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keiserpaul
♡ 34 ( +1 | -1 )
nightwalker You are absolutely right. But I think it's very hard (surely playing OTB) to force an opening in which 1.a3 or 1.h3 may waste a tempo. As soon as black does a move, white has a target and can adapt his opening on it.
In an exagerated way, you could say that 1.e4 is a bad move, because it is not an development move, and it puts an undefended pawn in the middle of the board where it can be attacked.
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peppe_l
keiserpaul
♡ 9 ( +1 | -1 )
1.Nf3 or 1.Nc3 are development moves. 1.e4 or 1.d4 are pawn moves that serve to help develop the pieces.
nightwalker
♡ 22 ( +1 | -1 )
I dare not answer..... 1.e4 is a bad move? "I cover my eyes so that I can see no evil"
2.pawns are only to serve to develope the pieces? "I cover my ears so that I can hear no evil"
Do you have any more knowledge you wish to pass on Master keiserpaul............
peppe_l
♡ 15 ( +1 | -1 )
... "Nf3 or 1.Nc3 are development moves. 1.e4 or 1.d4 are pawn moves that serve to help develop the pieces."
= Development moves? :-)
Heheh ok just joking.
But if 1.e4 is bad...how can 1.a3/h3 be good? Or 1.h3 2.g4?
nightwalker
♡ 23 ( +1 | -1 )
Pawns that is the question..? I think The Great Phillidor would have had a lot to say about pushing pawns!
They assist in development that is true but they are also the sole of chess.........without the little DUDES there would be no Strategy!
:)
peppe_l
♡ 10 ( +1 | -1 )
Pawn Is my favourite piece!
And before anyone points it out, yes I know - technically - pawn isnt a piece :-)
keiserpaul
♡ 22 ( +1 | -1 )
nightwalker Why are you twisting my words ?
1. I say "in an exagerated way" and you "could".
2. I never say pawns are "only" ...
I stop this discussion. It's clear that some people do not understand that the first rule in chess is that there are no rules.
ordinary_man
♡ 85 ( +1 | -1 )
Rule-Independence! Totally agree with this assessment, keiserpaul. Secrets of Modern Chess Strategy by IM John Watson focuses heavily on this modern approach to chess, which relies on concrete analysis and shuns the blind following of mere principles.
Probably my overall favorite chess book out of about 25 great books.
Although in my analysis, 1.a3 is still an inferior move...;) but not a BAD move. White can still play a decent game of chess based on his 1.a3 approach and there is nothing losing about this move, but white will have a much harder time forcing an advantage. Still, it is an OKAY move, which I know is what you were trying to point out, but everyone who blindly follows principles didn't understand...;)
peppe_l
♡ 32 ( +1 | -1 )
Keiserpaul Please dont take it so seriously...if you challenge the known theory and so called "principles" (pls let me point out "principle" does not equal "rule") chess players have developed during centuries, you can expect some people to disagree :-)
After all, isnt that one reason why you consider "unorthodox" openings so interesting?
keiserpaul
peppe_l
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